I found more skates but this is it. They are too expensive even at second hand stores now. I did 2 pairs of men"s skates and they were not easy. The material on them needs to be coated with chalk paint first and then I can use acrylic paints on top. I don't think I will do any more men"s skates unless I find the goalie ones which have plastic on the outside of them. Both were spray painted first in black to cover the ugly brown.